The Nobel Peace Prize
Posted: 12 October 2012 02:16 PM  
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“....in its choice for this year’s recipient, the five-member Norwegian Nobel Committee focused on decades of accomplishments in the political arena, saying that the prize was a message to Europe to continue down the path of integration and peace and to avoid the evils of nationalist extremism.

It is important to focus on the positive.  Certainly, these are difficult times, but who ever said that the world was supposed to be Utopia. 

I am pleased to read the news, and I am proud to be a European. 

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Posted: 12 October 2012 02:40 PM  
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Absolutely no comment!

Totally Gobsmacked!

Many moons ago they awarded the prize to Yasser Arafat, and more recently to Al Gore and the IPCC and Barack Obama.

What a totally meaningless piece of junk

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Posted: 12 October 2012 02:46 PM  
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The Nobel Peace Prize 1994 was awarded JOINTLY to Yasser Arafat, Shimon Peres and Yitzhak Rabin “for their efforts to create peace in the Middle East”.

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Posted: 12 October 2012 02:48 PM  
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“Al Gore…awarded the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize on Friday, SHARING it with the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, a United Nations network of scientists.

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Posted: 12 October 2012 03:14 PM  
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The Nobel Peace Prize 1994 was awarded JOINTLY to Yasser Arafat, Shimon Peres and Yitzhak Rabin “for their efforts to create peace in the Middle East”.

Very true and look what good it did!

As for Al Gore and the IPCC… most of their reasoning has been totally debunked and deliberately skewed. The reasons for the existence of the IPCC has been shown to be purely to generate a new tax on Carbon.
Is it not a fact that the USA still is not a signatory to the Kyoto Protocol? (I stand to be corrected if this is in error)

Personally I think the last deserving winners of the Peace Prize have to be the 1964 award to Martin Luther King… 1976 Betty Williams and Mairead Corrigan and in 1991 to Aung San Suu Kyi.

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Posted: 12 October 2012 04:15 PM  
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You are entirely entitled to your opinion, Foxbat.

The Middle East prize was for “efforts”.  Not always do the best efforts and intentions produce the desired result.  But if no one ever tries (both on a personal level and otherwise), well ......... 

Wouldn’t it be great if the world were a perfect place, where everyone gets it right absolutely every time.  But the world is not a perfect place.
If I try to do something and succeed, well that is great.  But if I make the effort, try, but it doesn’t work out, at least I can say I have tried. 
What there is rather a lot of in the world is begrudgery.

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Posted: 12 October 2012 05:11 PM  
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Excerpt from the Will of Alfred Nobel…

“The whole of my remaining realizable estate shall be dealt with in the following way: the capital, invested in safe securities by my executors, shall constitute a fund, the interest on which shall be annually distributed in the form of prizes to those who, during the preceding year, shall have conferred the greatest benefit on mankind. The said interest shall be divided into five equal parts, which shall be apportioned as follows: one part to the person who shall have made the most important discovery or invention within the field of physics; one part to the person who shall have made the most important chemical discovery or improvement; one part to the person who shall have made the most important discovery within the domain of physiology or medicine; one part to the person who shall have produced in the field of literature the most outstanding work in an ideal direction; and one part to the person who shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses. The prizes for physics and chemistry shall be awarded by the Swedish Academy of Sciences; that for physiology or medical works by the Karolinska Institute in Stockholm; that for literature by the Academy in Stockholm, and that for champions of peace by a committee of five persons to be elected by the Norwegian Storting. It is my express wish that in awarding the prizes no consideration be given to the nationality of the candidates, but that the most worthy shall receive the prize, whether he be Scandinavian or not.”

Now so far as I can see the only way in which the EU meets any of these stipulations is that part regarding the ‘abolition or reduction of standing armies’ Most EU countries seem to meet this requirement; most have been forced into reductions in manpower and hardware. The UK and Spain particularly… to the point where in a couple of years time the UK might not be able to meet its NATO commitments and will become little more than a Self Defence Force. The same holds true for Spain. Leaders of both countries stated in their election manifestos that they would pull out of Afghanistan… the troops are still there and sadly say their numbers are being reduced but not in the way that Alfred Nobel had in mind..

The EUs politicians spend so much time on self congratulatory business they have no time for ‘the holding and promotion of peace congresses.’  For instance what has Tony Blair achieved as the EU peace envoy to the Middle East?

‘Fraternity between nations?’ Even within the EU there is more back-stabbing than fraternity.

As for the previous winners… How does an individual like Al Gore and / or an organisation like the IPCC meet any of the Peace prize stipulations?

Likewise Barack Obama?

Time I think for a reality check!

Should I post this? Will anyone actually read it? Aahh what the hell… Publish and be damned!

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Posted: 13 October 2012 02:09 AM  
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Foxbat:

I am very much in touch with reality, believe me.  So, I need no reality check, as you call it..
And, at least here in Europe I can voice my opinion, as can you. 

And yes, I do know what the prize means.  The prize was for the EU and the Europeans in it, and that includes ME.  Certainly there are individual persons for whom I hold no brief at all.  In any country, continent or organisation you will find individuals such as the “envoy”.  There will also be disagreements, and that is quite normal.  It would be quite abnormal if there were no disagreements.

Would I make a better job of running the EU?  Most likely not.  And, would you?
It’s just a rhetorical question…...

I find harangues awfully tiring.

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Posted: 13 October 2012 10:12 AM  
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The call for a reality check was not addressed to you, more to the selection committee.

The original requirements of the will are quite specific, but have been stretched by political expediency to the point where the prize has become meaningless.

The specific sentence is “and one part to the person who shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses.”

That’s person, singular, not some political organisation.

Looking at a lot of other forums and the blogs pf political commentators, it appears that most people disagree with this years award.

As for harangues, since you made the original post did you expect everyone to agree with you? Surely the whole point of a forum is to offer ordinary people the chance to have a say. We cant all agree all the time!

This from Daniel Hannan MEP;

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100184837/the-eu-wins-the-nobel-peace-prize-40-years-on-satire-really-is-now-obsolete/

This from Roger Helmer MEP

http://rogerhelmermep.wordpress.com/2012/10/12/the-nobel-prize-devalued/

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Posted: 13 October 2012 01:03 PM  
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Of course I did not expect everyone to agree with me!! I merely expressed my own opinion, and as I clearly said, you are entitled to yours.  It is possible to disagree with me without haranguing me, though, I respectfully say to you.  In my original post I did not try to bully anyone into agreeing with what I said….

I don’t care if “everyone” disagrees with what I say.  Who is “everyone” anyhow?

You surprise me, Foxbat.

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Posted: 13 October 2012 02:59 PM  
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Who is “everyone” anyhow?

Dunno… but so far as this forum is concerned it looks like just you and me!

And I wasn’t having a go at you, merely expressing a point of view. A little stridently perhaps but that’s just my cynical streak…!

I’m going to rest my case on this thread.

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