Came accross this disscussion concerning the allerged murder by Spanish Authorities of a Nigerian immigrant being transfered back to Nigeria in 2007.

http://www.nigeriavillagesquare.com/board/osamuyi-protest-spain/38063-nigerian-citizen-gagged-killed-spanish-authorities.html

Interesting reading how the Spanish treat people, especially when it`s commented by people who have received the attention.

Like i`ve stated before some people do deserve an amount of brutality, others don`t.

I’ve wanted to say this for a long time, but couldn’t because of the “Political Correctness” of the UK.

See you guys in the council estates of the UK who lived off the tax I paid over there… I will give you a sleeping-bag to get home. Over and above that I will wave Bye Bye because I think the Spanish DHSS of 9 months works better in my favour!

Wanna hear a joke?

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A Council House!

DryWood - 10 August 2008 05:18 AM

I’ve wanted to say this for a long time, but couldn’t because of the “Political Correctness” of the UK.

See you guys in the council estates of the UK who lived off the tax I paid over there… I will give you a sleeping-bag to get home. Over and above that I will wave Bye Bye because I think the Spanish DHSS of 9 months works better in my favour!

Wow.  That is almost certainly offensive, but it’s hard to say because it doesn’t make any sense.

MartCross - 11 August 2008 03:58 PM

Wow.  That is almost certainly offensive, but it’s hard to say because it doesn’t make any sense.

Almost certainly written by somebody who`s English isn`t there first language.

Some of your stories sound like they are about another planet, not the country I lived for a year and will perhaps return to in a couple of months- willingly and happily taking a wife and child. We lived in the Alicante region in an inland town [Not touristy]amongst mostly Spanish neighbours, and I worked teaching English. Perhaps this helped us to become partially accepted as I had the mayors son, and various others as students. We had very friendly dealings with local police but no contact with Guardia Civil who seem to be the ones being accused here. We had it on good authority that most of the local problems originated from 1]Moroccans doing petty crimes as they were illegal and not working 2] Russians living up to their reputation as lovers of vodka 3] Nasty gangs called “latin kings” coming in from Torrevieja. These last were jumped on very heavily to stop them getting established I believe. Students told me that police [Don’t know which variety] were selling drugs in a nearby town, but other than that life was good if you could cope with the lack of haste in officialdom.
  The general attitude amongst local people in our town was anti-Moroccan, and acceptance of most other foreigners provided they worked and tried to fit in. I can believe that if we spoke fluent Spanish then we might have been in a position to better understand the finer points of local feeling.
However, comparing Spain to Uk I suppose it depends on your experiences as I had a long and varied life before leaving Britain about 5 years ago. I’ll try to keep these next stories brief-
I once got talking to a man who earned a living as an armed robber in London. He said that the first job was the hardest as it was the one which gave you enough money to bribe your way out of any future problems once you knew which solicitors had police contacts. Officers in the Met CID were known to have sent local plods off on a wild goose chase to give enough breathing space for a planned crime.
In an English town off duty CID bought drugs from local guys in a nightclub. They knew the guys from policing football matches and both sides were happy that the dealings would remain private.
The daughter of a police officer told me that police parties regularly had supplies of drugs and porn films from siezures.
Royal protection police were not always the pick of the bunch- one I knew shot himself in the foot after playing some kind of “Fastest gun in the West” type of game.

Looks like the Spanish police are becoming militarised, they are a service to the general population in theory but in practice act as agents for a corporation whose interest is to collect payment in the guise of fines etc. In general they suffer from attention deficit disorder as any attempt to have any logical discussion is thwarted by their stereotypes and prejudices.

There is nothing they can do for you when a burglar is entering your home or a rapist is salivating over your spouse. If there is no profit in it then I am afraid it just is not a priority due to lack of finance. The tax office on the other hand is extremely well financed and is much more profitable, the poorest link in the chain would be the law courts.

Where they all have something in common is freemasonry which is rife so do your research and things will start to make a lot more sense and you will realize that all the denouncements of corruption only exist so they can do battle with each other and replace certain types, so I stress that it is not for our benefit when they send to prison some crooked official, he or she will only be replaced with someone that they prefer.

Every single country in the EU is losing its sovereignty, identity and freedom. All the immigration issues and Brad Pitt stories etc.  are to distract us away from the real issues and these affect our local authorities which have not realized themselves what is about to happen. Agenda 21 is a mandate from the UN with a definite agenda to introduce by stealth the abolition of private property and rationing and carbon taxes. Please research this for yourselves and make friends with locals and explain to them what is going to happen when this soviet style Europe arrives on our terrazas. Private property ultimately means right to life so it goes a lot further than our belongings. I know this sounds heavy and I would be delighted if you could prove me wrong.

I have worked as a Photographic journalist and have witnessed some police cock up some resulting in death so I learnt not to mess with AUTHORITY. You do not cross that line ever! Why?, because we are not united, we have allowed the Governments to scare us into believing that we are responsible for all the problems and only they can save us. I can assure you that all drugs, all immigration and all psycopaths and terrorists are on the streets because they were put there by the powers that be. Remember you are sovereign and a freeman.

I have lived in Spain since 1969 with periods of working in Latin America. Before I learnt Spanish I have to admit I had a few problems trying to communicate with the various police forces which at times got me in to trouble. Since being able to communicate well I have to say that I have found the police to be reasonable. At one stage I even offered my services as a translator with the Guardia Civil.

Currently I live in the campo in my dream finca. Unfortunately because of the way the majority of Brits have behaved in my area we do not rank highly in the authorities eyes. Because of this the authorities are inclined to treat us all with some kind of caution. We are unfortunately looked upon as trouble makers due to past experiences. As soon as it is discovered that I speak Spanish and have resided here for many years the difference in treatment I receive is really noticeable. My advice therefore to all new arrivals is learn some Spanish and life will be so much smoother.

Having said the above I have one very big concern with living in the campo here in Malaga. The address of my finca is a Catastral address which is made up of reference numbers. For example my Catastral address is Poligono 8, Parcela xxx, Alhaurin el Grande, Malaga. The finca has no other address. Every other casa rural has the same type of address. Should we need assistance from any of the emergency services we have to try and explain exactly where we live or arrange to meet the service requested at a designated point. If someone is having a heart attack in the early hours of the morning or you are being held up a gun point this is not possiblle.

Some time ago the Spanish Government spent a fortune setting up a system so that every legal property in Spain could be quickly located. This system is known as the Oficina Virtual del Catastro and can be found by entering the following address in your web browser <http://ovc.catastro.minhac.es> It may appear a little complicated at first but after playing around with the site it is very simple to locate your property on a map and will even show a reasonably recent ariel photo of your home.

When I discovered this foolproof system of quickly locating my finca I visited the Policia Municipal, Guardia Civil and local Ambulatorio to confirm that they were using it and that there should be no problem in finding me in an emergency. I regret to say that none of the three had ever heard of the Oficina Virtual del Catastro and more alarming was that the new local head quarters of the Guardia Civil did not even have a computer available for the duty crew to access. The only one available was installed in a duty officers office and could only be used with special permission. If the duty officer was not available nor was the computer.

I have since tried to speak with senior officials of the above named services but get the distinct impression that nobody is interested in adopting this system of location as I suspect that it would lead to more work. We are all aware that currently it is very easy to summon help and when nothing arrives hear the same old excuse after the event that you could not be located.

I can only relate my experience in the region where I live. Hopefully in other areas of Spain they have adopted, and successfully use the Oficina Virtual del Catastral. Without doubt every single Ayuntamiento in the country will use it daily to keep track on it’s inhabitants and illegal building. I can not accept that the Spanish emergency services are not aware of this location search system but for the reason stated already choose not to use it.

carefreebrit - 17 August 2008 07:45 PM

Some of your stories sound like they are about another planet, not the country I lived for a year and will perhaps return to in a couple of months-

You could say that about any country.

I`ve yet to find a child shoot dead in my town in the UK by a teenage gang member.

Yet crime and unemployment in the UK tends to be a major factor in many Expats leaving the UK.

Which is there biggest mistake, Spain suffers crime as any other EU country does.

You may not be a victim today or tomorrow, but you could be.

I can believe that if we spoke fluent Spanish then we might have been in a position to better understand the finer points of local feeling.

And read local/national news reports.

I`m always amazed by the amount of Expats who don`t watch the Spanish media.

However, comparing Spain to Uk I suppose it depends on your experiences as I had a long and varied life before leaving Britain about 5 years ago. I’ll try to keep these next stories brief-
I once got talking to a man who earned a living as an armed robber in London. He said that the first job was the hardest as it was the one which gave you enough money to bribe your way out of any future problems once you knew which solicitors had police contacts. Officers in the Met CID were known to have sent local plods off on a wild goose chase to give enough breathing space for a planned crime.
In an English town off duty CID bought drugs from local guys in a nightclub. They knew the guys from policing football matches and both sides were happy that the dealings would remain private.
The daughter of a police officer told me that police parties regularly had supplies of drugs and porn films from siezures.
Royal protection police were not always the pick of the bunch- one I knew shot himself in the foot after playing some kind of “Fastest gun in the West” type of game.

The obvious difference in Spain though is the Police are in the news for crimes, I tend to believe that as truth than stories from friends.

I have just posted my recent run in with the police under a new topic….Robbed by the police.

I extend my sympathy to anyone who has had problems with the police. I thought of leaving Spain after my incident but, sadly, I don’t trust the police anywhere and have no idea where I would go. Also, I love Spain , so far and do not want to let this destroy my view of the positive aspects of the country, although its hard not too.

The Expatriator - 28 July 2007 04:53 AM

Continuing the conversation started by cbram titled “The Real Spanish Police” here in the tapas bar is far more appropriate. Keep the sarcasm and name-calling out of it but vent or share your horror or happy stories about corruption in Spain and/or problems with the Spanish police.

I have to say that the corruption has worked to my benefit more than once. Especially with visa issues. Also, I’ve had pretty good experiences with the cops when they thought I was just a dumb tourist on more than one occasion. That said I’ve had some scary experiences with the Mossos d’Esquadra as well, seeing them beat down a few people during the World Cup last year, getting pulled over and ordered out of the car at machine gun point… the list goes on.

I had my share with Mossos d’Esquadra. This guys are nearly all recycled criminals.