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Posted: 29 April 2008 12:07 PM  
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Has anyone been caught out by a phone fraud where someone calling from a number (670113990) which turns out to be in Argentina tricks you into saying yes to a premium rate line? The company operating the fraud is IPAY and I think they exploit a legal loophole where Telefonica and companies like them are legally obliged to list their calls.

I was fortunate enough to realise what was going on in time (I hope) and looked up the 67… number on a website. Which was how I found out about the fraud.

Leaving aside the fact that Telefonica really should block the IPAY number themselves, my problem is that it’s a nightmare dealing with the ‘English speaking’ people at Telefonica on 1004 and explaining to them what’s happened. I’ve asked for all mobile and international calls to and from my number to be blocked but I don’t know if this has been done and, of course, I need to make sure Telefonica don’t bill me for any fraudulent calls.

Any ideas on how to deal with this would be much appreciated.

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Posted: 30 April 2008 05:07 PM  
Expat
Total Posts:  33
Joined  2008-03-18

afaik this number is from gestel company from madrid, they do telemarketing and offer different mobile and fixed operators (tele2,orange,vodafone) and try to get customers to change or contract services.

as a good point, never give any information like phone numbers, nie or passport number over the phone, only when you call the operator and you ask to activate/deactivate a service then they ask your nie & name to check it’s you. I’ve seen often they call people and just ask if they would like to spare some money, ask for their number, identification number (nie/nif) and they change your phone operator to tele2 or similars without real knowledge of customer.

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Posted: 02 May 2008 07:10 PM  
Expatriator
Total Posts:  569
Joined  2007-10-19

when sing up any new telephone contract , get you telephone number on the list off Restricted number , this then stops the tele market company from cold calling you

Cold Calls - A quick guide to preventing unwanted calls from direct marketing companies
Introduction

All telephone users can now register whether or not they want to receive ‘cold calls’ to their phone.
‘Cold calling’ is when a company calls you, without getting your permission, so they can try to sell you goods or services.  This is sometimes called ‘direct marketing’.
It is easy and free of charge to make your preference known. You just need to contact your phone line provider - the company to which you pay line rental.
All providers have been contacting their customers with details on the arrangements for registering a preference, so watch out for further information on your monthly or two-monthly bills or on your service provider’s website.

In this guide, we:

* describe how you can make your preference known; and
* outline what you can do if you receive cold calls against your wishes.

How does the process work?

All phone numbers contained in public phone books or available through directory enquiries are held in a central record known as the ‘National Directory Database’ (NDD).
When you contact your phone provider to tell them you do not want to receive direct marketing calls, they will make sure that this is recorded in the NDD. It will do this promptly, but if there are a large number of similar requests it make take up to five working days.

Direct marketing companies can get a copy of the NDD to make sure that they do not call phone users who have said they do not want to be contacted. However, it can take up to 28 days after the information is recorded in the NDD for marketers to access the opt-out listing. This depends on how often they update their own listings.

Fixed-line users

If you have a fixed-line (landline) phone and you do not want direct marketing companies to call you, you should contact the company from which you rent the line.

If your telephone line is ex-directory you do not need to contact your phone company; your number will be automatically recorded as not wanting to receive direct marketing calls.
Mobile phone users

Most mobile phone numbers are not listed in the NDD and therefore it would not be possible for mobile users to register a preference.
However, the mobile phone companies have barred all direct marketing companies from making cold calls to mobile phone numbers.
If you want to allow direct marketers to contact you in this way, you can call your mobile service provider and ask that your number be made available to direct marketers.

What about unsolicited faxes?

Direct marketing companies are not allowed to send any residential customer a fax without getting their permission first.

Business users

Direct marketing companies can send unsolicited faxes to businesses. So if you are a business user with your fax number in the NDD (National Directory Database) and you do not want direct marketing companies to fax you, you should contact the company from which you rent the line. You should note that the NDD does not distinguish between phone numbers used for voice calls and fax machines as they can sometimes be the same.

The NDD does not include the full range of Direct Dial Inward (DDI) numbers that a business may use. These numbers usually just include the number of the main switchboard or the numbers that the business user chooses to have included in public directories. Direct marketing companies may choose to randomly dial DDI numbers, so their calls may be difficult to block.

What can you do if you receive marketing calls against your wishes?

Not all marketing calls fall into the category of ‘unsolicited calls’. A business may contact you for marketing purposes if you are or recently were a customer.  It can do this even if your number is included in the opt-out listing, unless you tell them that you do not want them to phone you.
You might also receive a marketing call if you provide phone details to a company, for example by entering a competition, redeeming coupons or requesting a brochure. If you do not
want it to phone, say that when you give your details.

If you get an unwanted marketing call from a business that you have had no prior dealings with, or to which you have not provided contact details, tell the caller you do not want to be contacted by that company again.

If you get the call more than 28 days after your details have been recorded in the opt-out register of the NDD, or after you have told the company in question not to contact you again, you may wish to complain to the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner. This office can investigate and prosecute the company if necessary.

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Posted: 02 May 2008 11:03 PM  
Expat
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Joined  2008-03-18

Unfortunatly this list is not available in spain :( It would be great this would exist in spain, i get often mad after receiving a dozen of calls trying to sell something on the few moments i’m free at home.

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Posted: 03 May 2008 09:55 PM  
Expatriator
Total Posts:  569
Joined  2007-10-19

yes it is available in spain and its spanish law and Eu law and looking in to it and will com back to you this week coming
i taken vodaphone to court and won but i gave the money to the loacl charity there were send me Premium rate numbers and i never sing up to it and found out that give my Number out
had to keep top up my phone all the time

jurdy

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