Help !!!! I am moving out of UK to Malaga !!

Well welcome to the Forum Ladys , a your kids thay pick up spanish fast , why not hit you loacl town hall library and get some cds on spanish for kids there befor coming over , there lot off english school on the CDS r Malaga are if you got skytv go to channel 795 and get tve , TVE Internacional . Televisi?n Espa?ola like the bbc . but If your gonna live in Spain send them to a Spanish school .

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Things here are very hard at the moment ,you also have to remember Spain has over 4 million unemployed and they will not rush to give a Brit a job.You need to consider you health care,dental care and the cost of living here is very high.Food is a lot dearer then back in the UK,not many offers here.
Be very careful with what school you choose,my daughter is due to go to secondary school this year.No way is she going here,i am returing to the UK in three weeks.
The best place to look for rental prop is www.surinenglish.com.

also take look at this link aswell it are Real Estate / Property - Sale or Rent area off the Forum
http://www.spainexpat.com/spain/forum/viewforum/39/

You want a 4 bed villa close to the beach in the summer - you are not just mad.............PS bring plenty of money. My Spanish niece was quoted 500 euros pm for a bed sit

Malaga is a very big city have you any idea where abouts in malaga you are thinking of moving to ,then maybe more people from that area can give you some advice.

> You want a 4 bed villa close to the beach in the summer - you are not just mad.............PS bring plenty of money. My Spanish niece was quoted 500 euros pm for a bed sit


I am looking to rent in Malaga

Prices range from ?350 (1 Bed Apartment) to ?3500 (Penthouse and Large Villas/Town Houses) Monthly

For ?500 There is lots of 2 bed apartments near golf courses and beaches! tell your niece to keep looking!!!

The Estate Agents have said there is more Propertys here for Sale/Rent Than there are people!

Apparently there looking at a bigger property crisis than ever as there so much on the market for Sale and for rent...

Its a Tennants market.... "As Told By Estate Agent"

I wouldn`t worry too much about the schools.

You`ll be back in the UK by October.

There are big issues in Malaga at the moment, locals are fed up with Guiri`s, there arn`t many jobs, the beaches have rubbish from the metro building dumped on them, there still dumping raw sewage into the sea and prices have increased.

There`s no better time too move.

Just remember that when you return to the UK you won`t qualify for benifits for 6 months.

Here here Santi,i move back in july,schools shit,beaches and streets dirty,everything overpriced,no work and many more.
Think, think ,think before you move,life in the UK is not as bad as you think as least you can get your weekly food shop at a good price.

I take it Santi and Pepsi have had a Bad Experience in Malaga....

As for one the Rent prices are not high... on Friday an Estate agent asked me to name my price as the landlords are desperate to rent out...

As for the beaches I really couldnt give a shit... by July they be Sparkling clean......

Sometimes things do not work out for people in Spain example hubby works in UK Wifey in Spain etc strain and all that

It works for some and not for others!

> I take it Santi and Pepsi have had a Bad Experience in Malaga....


My experience wasn`t bad, it certainly isn`t the life many expats are lookin for.

Its hard to get the a real perspective of Spain until you arrive, most expat forum sites are full of commercial motivation, most don`t give accurate accounts.

The beeches in Malaga for instance have had issues for many years, from sewage, all year around.

I only found out what that green slim on the water was when i was there.

It only makes an appearance in the carm waters of summer.



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As for the beaches I really couldnt give a shit... by July they be Sparkling clean......


You joking right, there only clean when the cleaning boats operate, for many years the councils have been askin to have them increased to cope with the sewage waste that is pumped off shore in the summer months as the water treatment works get over worked by the increase in tourism.

Although this year may not be an issue.



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It works for some and not for others!


The only expats that survive in Spain workin tend to be home based or international IT people.

Most others are running internet expat forums promoting Spain.

Coming to Spain and expecting the life you get in work in the UK is impossible for a Brit in Spain.

Although this is never mentioned on expat forums, you only find out when you arrive.

I`ve never meet an Expat who for example spent 5 yrs working as a bus driver, then moved to a truck drive for 4 yrs, then worked as ataxi driver.

It does not happen, expats in Spain find maybe one job workin within the expat community in whatever, then leaves.

I`d love to here from an expat who`s worked in Spain for the past 20 yrs within the Spanish community/workplace.

life In Spain is what you make it.....

To be honest my Travels around the World I accept what I see and get on with it... There is alot of Plus Points and Minus points in every country...

To be honest my fav part of Spain will always be Barcelona...

With the Property Crash (And Another bigger one to come) its a buyers and Tennants market......

UK is as bad as here (Slightly better in the UK granted) as if you look on sky news website its all doom and gloom with the job side of things....

> Hi!! Can anyone help me and my friend??!! We are 2 single mums and have had enough of England!! We have decided to give our Children better lives in sunny Malaga.... We are just up and leaving 21st July 09 driving over..... BUT ..... we have sorted nothing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (yes we are mad!!!!!) we are hoping to just come over, find a b&b;for a few days and find a rental property!! we are looking for a 4 bed villa, close to beach! How does it stand for schooling in Spain? my daughter is 9 in July, will she be ok in a spanish school??????!!
If anyone can help me here I would be soooooooo grateful!! Thanks, Danielle x x x


Wow, there's a lot of doom, gloom and pent-up rage in these responses! I don't think it's that bad, but on the other hand it's not a holiday when you live here, it's real life. Malaga remains a lovely city in many ways - although it's big and has its share of social problems - but I don't know where people get the view that it's more expensive than the UK - I have never found that to be the case even when the pound was at 1 euro at Christmas, and now it's back to 1.17 or something anyway. (It may be true that some branded convenience food is dear, but fresh seasonal fruit, veg, meat and fish, coffee, wine, beer etc is all much cheaper.) However, I think just driving down with kids would be a BIG mistake. Why not have one of you fly in for a week, find accommodation, check out schools and apply for NIE and bank account to get you started, then fly home, meet up again and then share the drive? Otherwise it could be a really miserable, confusing and expensive experience - even something as simple as finding a place to park the car that doesn't cost ?18 a night can be tricky. In Malaga also you will need to speak Spanish - or are you thinking of the guiri ghettos to the West? If you're going out that way there's a whole different set of problems due to over-development, crashing house prices, illegal building etc. Oh dear, now I'm sounding as depressing as the rest of them! The only two pieces of advice worth anything are probably DO PLENTY OF RESEARCH FIRST and LEARN SPANISH.

No Hate from me or my posts...

I think its a case of many of us are just pissed off were before this crisis Spain was manageable and now alot of people are feeling the Pinch....

Santi has great points and Opinions that are valuable...

Many people "As Expats" put alot of effort for the move to Spain... But with the Crisis you get punched in Private Parts.. or get Screwed...

However things are picking up here in Spain "VERY VERY SLOWLY" but things are looking up.... Its a matter of time but patience is needed...

Research and Planning and Most importantly "Spanish Idioma" is needed when moving here......

Lets face it... When Spain gets back on its feet there be plenty of people running back to start up again...

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Santi has great points and Opinions that are valuable...


I try.

I`m fed up with certain forums around that have motives other than accurate advice.

Thankfully this place is better.

I agree... It is always best to get correct advise....

Sometimes I do not always give it as Most of the time I am P*ssed off with how things are going in Spain...

So I rant... (Like Now For Instance!)

As a half Spaniard me-self I just do not understand why Spain Never sees the wider Picture....

Granted Spain is a Tourism Country but I see more In Spain then Getting Drunk, Rioting, etc with the Tourists...

Spain has the educated People etc but no Investment to keep them here in Spain to drive the Economy......

Rant over...

Back to helping Malaga People...

I would like to know what Dani-b thinks of all these posts and if we have helped her in any way ,please post a reply.

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Spain has the educated People etc but no Investment to keep them here in Spain to drive the Economy......

Rant over...

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I was this morning disscussing the situation with my OH over the news that Spain intends to increase taxes as they provide there people with the best help in times of hardship and unemployment whilst having the lowest tax levels.

They need to get around the EU a bit more as there level is nowhere near EU standard.

As for the two of too Malaga, i guess there goin to find out the hard way, but taking children is borderline crazy.

> I would like to know what Dani-b thinks of all these posts and if we have helped her in any way ,please post a reply.


Yes, sorry I haven't had a chance to look till last night but the posts have been helpful! As for the last reply, no I don't think its crazy taking the children there, my friend visits spain a great deal and totally agrees it will be the life for them, I have sorted out meetings with a few estate agents and have possibly sorted our a villa temp till I find somewhere perm, I have got money so we will be fine for quite a while and at the end of the day... you only live once so why not enjoy it?????? if it doesn't work out then it's not the end of the world!!! Thank you all for all the info and MAC I will post u a message as I think ur on my way of thinking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
x x x

Dani-b Feel Free to message me when ever you want!

Mac

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I would guess all the info in this book is available on this and similar forums...for free!

> Thank you!! I will have a look at the book and get some info!!!


I probably don`t write what you want to hear.

Then again i got the t shirt and I`m only trying to help without any alteria motivation.

Moving children to Spain can be complicated, its not as simple as you may assume.

Friends of ours had 7 years in Spain, children arrived at age of 6 yrs, 8 yrs.When they reached high school age the eldest had issues, they both spoke perfect Spanish but the eldest had difficulty in writing and reading.The Spanish school assumed the child was thick and as is typical in Spanish schools the less able are left to re sit years etc.

Anyway cut a long story, they returned to the UK due to work (pre crisis) it was bloody hard work before the crisis, anyway within three weeks of school in the UK the child was diagnosed with Dyslexia, the childs GCSE results are crap and now has to go through all the teaching issues again just to be able to gain poor GCSE results.

My point being that plans are always different in reality, some good, some bad.The trick is being able to limit the amount of bad.

Sure Spain is an adventure, you`ll cope fine, but what if it goes wrong, children may not be as strong to accept life`s challenges.

I`ve been involved in Spain living and workin for some 30 odd years now, i didn`t arrive on a Guiri express.

The above comments are only a small example, if i wrote evidence to back up my comments, i`d be writting for a long time.

So I`m trying to put my point accross that if i write about schools in Spain its not based on one school in one area, I have Spanish relatives who teach in Spain, in different regions and at different levels, my family also have jobs in Spain, in different regions within Spain.

So i know a lot of Spanish people and know a lot of Spain, here customs.I also worked with Expats in Spain, so I`ve come across probably ever issue you can think of.

And Expats come accross a lot of issues, more than most bargained for, even when the planned.

My main advice would be to plan a lot, then think alot, then wait till your children have at least gained an education that can be used in the UK and Spain.

Moving a child from school in Spain back to the UK can be extremly easy or difficult depending on so many factures, the teaching methods in Spain are different, so different to the UK.

An easy example is unidades, centenas, decenas, y unidades.Many children struglle not in learning these in Spain, but when they return to the UK.

The other problem chilren suffer from is spelling, although children can learn Spanish conversation far quicker than adults, all will have difficulty learning Spanish writting which is caused by sounds and spelling.

Many children need the help of Logopedics in Spain, I know my sister in law is one and our child needed one.

Now I have a bilingual child able to write and speak perfect Spanish, speak perfect english, but spells like a dyslexic and its been several years of hard work with still a poor level of english spelling.

Which will probably last many more years, so yes moving to Spain can be crazy when it comes to children, i just hope we haven`t caused her education to suffer and ultimatly effect her chances in adult life.

So yes think long and hard and when you feel you`ve got a huge headache, keep goin, your only half way there.

Totally agree with Santi.
Dont bother buying any books we did that 7 years ago and they are still sitting here,they are ok if you want practical or legal advice but for anything else they are a waste of money.All the info you need can be found on many forums by people who have been there and done it.
Good luck

> I would guess all the info in this book is available on this and similar forums...for free!
No doubt but what I found is that some of the info I came across on the internet, I later found out was out of date. I think one of the best things to do though is to keep asking questions on forums like this because even if somebody gives you some out of date advice there is likely to be somebody will come along and correct them.

That's why I suggested using forums...

Forget forums and the internet for info.

Anybody who decides to move to a non english speaking country with their children based on internet research is an idiot.

What you need to do is get on a plane and research on the ground, speak to people, read the job adverts etc etc when in country.

Internet is all about the money, even expat forums only excist because the more hits they get the more money they earn.

I recently found out that most if not all expat sites are run by expats and a lot of the owners/mods etc are members on other sites, as either bad posting on competition sites or poaching members to there sites.

Its in a forums interest to sugar coat the countries there discussing, but mostly Spanish forums as it a popular country and the owners of the sites find running a forum is a nice little earner, especially since most have no concept of Spanish living or culture.

Job site are the same, they constantly advertise positions that don`t excist, they tell you due to volume of applicants they cannot respond to all applicants, yep thats because the more jobs they advertise, the more hits they get and yep the more money they earn.

The internet is becoming the biggest money scam in the world.:(