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Some installers can get the card for you, but don't ask where they got it from or how.

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Information on general TV in Spain, English language television in Spain, including foreign language, satellite/Sky TV, digital, online TV and other options for expatriates living in Spain.

North Americans:
Don’t bother bringing your North American (NTSC) televisions unless they’re one of those super-ultimate all-world viewable TVs that can view a PAL signal (same goes for your PS2, DVD players, etc.). DVDs from parts of the world outside of continental Europe will have regional encoding as well, so they might be a waste of space as you’ll find it difficult to find places to watch them.

As for English-language television programming broadcasts…

On regular TV, there aren’t any for the most part. Some modern televisions have the capability of handling two audio channels, however, and now some movies and foreign programs can be heard in their original language by switching the audio channels. It’s a little bit complicated but at least it’s something. If your TV does it you’ll find a “mode” button that will change audio channels. At least this is all free in Spain, up to and including about 10 channels.

Otherwise, everything is dubbed. On some channels in Catalunya you’ll find the Spanish shows are dubbed into Catalan.

Other options to consider:

British Terrestrial Television in Spain

In recent months most British Terrestrial Television has become FREE to view. This means NO subscription for the following channels:
All ITV channels, ITV1, 2, 3, 4 & All BBC channels, BBC1, 2, 3 ,4

To receive these channels it is NOT necessary to have a Sky digital receiver, nor a card, nor pay any subscription. This is a real case of “free TV” without the asterisk!

So far, the only way to get British Terrestrial Television in Spain is from Astra 2. Generally speaking, you will need to get a professional to install your satellite dish correctly. And for those DIY fans who are not phased by modern sat-com technology, this satellite can be found at 28.2ºE of South. But then you already knew that, didn’t you?

Channel 4 Channel 5 and SKY 3

To watch these three channels you WILL need a Sky digital receiver (or similar), and a card. But still there is no need to pay any subscription. In Spain, Pace 430N / 440N / 445N receivers have had good reports.

One of the problems in Spain is the weak signal strength, which means that if you intend to watch British Terrestrial Television in Spain you will have to choose your receiving equipment carefully. Some areas give better reception than others.  What you will need to check are the following:-

  • The dish size
  • The LNB (low noise blockdown converter) Actually, it means the bit in the middle that actually receives the signal that bounces off the dish.
  • The receiver.

Dish size
Weaker signal means you need a larger dish. A Prime Focus dish gives better reception from a weak signal than an Offset Focus dish. In the Alicante, Torrevieja areas, for instance,  a 1.4m Prime Focus dish should be OK. If you want an Offset Focus dish, then you should get something a bit bigger, such as 1.5m. But generally speaking, from Valencia to Murcia, and in Madrid, 1.8 m dish is recommended if you have the room for it. In the Costa Del Sol, a smaller dish will give reasonable results. 1.2m Prime Focus should be OK here. But again, bigger equals better, if you can. 1.4m Prime Focus or 1.5m Offset for this area.

LNB
The best LNB for Spain is the Invacom TWIN. But get expert advice.

The Receiver
The first thing to note is that A BRITISH DIGITAL FREE VIEW RECEIVER WILL NOT WORK IN SPAIN! You need a good quality receiver made to Spanish specs. BBC & ITV channels now only require a European Free to Air Digital Receiver. These can be purchased from most electro-domestic(os) stores in Spain. They generally cost around 95 €, although I have seen them in Carrefour priced as little as 65 €.

You will not be able to watch Channel 4 / 5 and SKY 3 with these receivers; although these TV channels are Free to Air. You will need a SKY Digital Decoder, with a Free View Card. If you want to watch pay channels you will need to obtain a Package Viewing Card.

One final point, before giving you web links for further information: Our experience is that these channels tend to drop out, anything from late evening (around 22.30 till 01.00) and returning in the early morning, (around 06.00).

Links
Available channels
http://www.uktelevision.info/stuff/frequencies.htm
http://www.lyngsat.com/astra2d.html

BBC Prime
http://www.bbcprime.com

BBC Prime is available on a number of satellites. Not just Astra 2.
Intelsat 904 – Katelco Plus
Hellas Sat 2
Eurobird 2 Orbit Network
Astra 3A Kabel Deutschland
Astra 1KR UPC Direct, Canal Digitaal Satelliet
Eutelsat W2 Toal TV
Hotbird 6, 7A, 8 TPS, Cyfra +, SKY Italia
Eutelsat W3A Diti Turk
Thor 2 Canal Digital
Atlantic Bird 2 Orbit Network
Hispasat 1C TV Cabo

Watch TV Online in Spain

Once you’re in Spain you’ll have a heck of a time trying to download your favourite TV shows from iTunes or watching TV on apps like Joost because of IP address filtering (they know you’re in Spain which is outside of their license boundaries). But there are at least 33 ways to watch TV online in Spain (okay, some may not work for the above mentioned reasons, but some definitely do).

Check out Mashable’s article about the 33 ways to watch TV online. But here are the highlights (Youtube goes without saying…):

  • Babelgum
  • Zattoo - very promising; highlighting European television content and available in Spain.
  • SurfTheChannel - links to all kinds of stuff that may or may not be legally available.

BBC is supposed to be putting a lot of their video content on YouTube. I haven’t heard if this is actually happening yet or what. If you find out then let us know in the comments at the bottom of the page here.

There’s also SlingBox, which is a box that you hookup to your friend/family’s TV connection back home and it “slings” the programming to your computer. Cool huh? There’s been some discussion of this on this forum post.

Another take on Satellite and Sky TV in Spain

The following information is from Spain Expat’s old TV in Spain article and may be outdated. Much of it may still be useful.

USA:
SkyDigital has plenty of USA programming, but getting real USA TV from the American Forces Network is a lost cause, unless you know anyone in the US Armed Forces who has a decoder.

Sky TV in Spain
The great advantage to having Sky TV in Spain is being able to get BBC1, BBC2, ITV1, ITV2, C4 and C5. Terrestrial Spanish television might net you American CNN International, but we all know we want the BBC for news.

There appear to be three ways to get Sky TV in Spain.

  1. Buy a Sky TV Digibox through a local installer here in Spain. Some installers can get the card for you, but don’t ask where they got it from or how. Ask what the repair procedures are before you make the purchase. See Digiboxes.org for further information and new and used Sky digiboxes for sale, based out of the Costa Blanca.
  2. Buy a Sky TV Digibox through a friend. The biggest problem here is that you will have to return it to them for repairs if something goes wrong. Your UK based friend will need to buy a Sky Digibox and get the card. Sky sends the cards separately via post upon receipt of a subscription form. Subscription prices vary currently between 13£/month for a few channels to 36£/month for all movie and sports channels. Of course, see the Sky TV website for more information on exactly what their currect package offerings are.
  3. The last option is to buy a Sky TV digibox yourself while you’re still in the UK. This way you have the opportunity to take advantage of their subsidies. Sky is always offering subsidies for new signups, but the catch is that you’ll have to keep your digibox plugged into a UK based phone line for 12 months before you can disconnect it (and bring it to Spain). After the 12 months, the subsidy contract is fulfilled and you’re free to keep it disconnected, otherwise when they run checks throughout their system and find that you’re not connected you’re liable to be cut off from Sky TV service. You run the additional risk of having to pay out the subsidy costs that you originally took advantage of as well.

Last updated 22 03 2011

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08/Dec/2009:
thebigboss said:

Hi. I would like a bit of info on the sentence above that says


"BBC & ITV channels now only require a European Free to Air Digital Receiver"

Which suggests that my spanish tdt freeview box will pick up some uk tv. is this correct? Would someone elaborate on this and if its true, how can i go about tuning my box to get these channels?

 
21/Jan/2010:
satandpcguy's avatar satandpcguy said:

re thebigboss:

BBC and ITV can be received with a dish (off appropriate size) with and digital satellite receiver.

A spanish TDT receiver will only pick up the digital terrestrial spanish channels that via your terrestrial TV aerial on your roof - Television Digital Terrestrial - TDT.

Satellite TV is "extra terrestrial".

So your Spanish TDT receiver will not work if hooked up to a satellite dish.

And as TDT is a SPanish TV service, there are no UK TV hcannels on there....justlike there are no Spanish TV channels available on the UK Freeview service!

 
14/May/2010:
paul123 said:

Like to make a small amendment / correction regarding comment of best LNB being an Invacom twin output.

Whilst this is true on a prime focus dish (perfectly round dish), also worth noting the Invacom Quad output also performs just as well.

On an offset dish (slightly oval) a different LNB is required - the Invacom twin does not perform that well. Best performing is the Inverto black ultra, single output.

In terms of Sky boxes - last paragraph; you can obtain Sky boxes which are non contract so you do not need to connect to phone line. There are companies that can supply you with a subscription card, even if you do not have UK address.

Paul

 
20/Jun/2010:
satandpcguy's avatar satandpcguy said:

"There are companies that can supply you with a subscription card, even if you do not have UK address."
Correct - if you pay around 150 euros for the privalidge of "borrowing" the card ganets UK address.

Re best LNB for offset - I suppost it depends on what size dish you are using and what channels you want - it will make little difference what LNB you use on an 80cm dish for UK TV!

 
20/Aug/2010:
david.sharman said:

Hi,

I used P&N and they let me down on service, didn't even reply to phone calls or e-mail

Dave.s

 
21/Aug/2010:
George007 said:

If you live in the south, the Valencian Community, like me you will need a big dish to get reception.

I'm talking about 2m in diameter to get a decent picture. People will say that a 1.5m will do but if you want a good picture go for 2m. The question you need to ask is it really worth it?

Learn the lingo a little or use a local Spanish to get it setup and save money. The local television people are well informed and know their stuff. Local prices here in Valencia are around €50 call out and €40/hour. It's not rocket science. Don't pay more. The installation shouldn't cost more than €200 including the dish and box.

 
25/Aug/2010:
satandpcguy's avatar satandpcguy said:

rb:

Dish size required depends on the channel you want to watch.
ITV1, C4 and Five can be received on a 80cm dish in most of Valencia - with a sky card.

Its only if you want BBC channel and ITV2, 3, 4 and the Freesat "no card required" main UK channel that you may require a big dish. In some areas of Valencia you may need a 2.4m dish while in others a 1.8 will suffice.

You may save money using a Spanish installer, but in the few cases where people have, they have been aligned to the wrong satellite - Astra 1 instead of Astra 2!

Don't know where you get €200 Euros for dish box and installation from. A 1.8m dish is about €700 Euros! Unless you mean those horrendous petal dishes - which you may as well just flush the money down the loo for as much good those dishes are...

 
23/Feb/2011:
brandonhernandez said:

Is anybody successfully receiving it from Valencia or anywhere close? If so, what is the smallest sized satellite dish?

 
02/Mar/2011:
satandpcguy's avatar satandpcguy said:

brandonhernandez:

Yes,
As my post says. And 80cm dish with a sky box and sky card is getting ITV1, ITV1HD, C4, C4HD, Five (FiveHD is in most of Valencia)

 
07/Apr/2011:
Robert Guanco said:

Directv is a pretty good service, I’ve had Dish too,but I seem to like Directv better. It seems like the service is better than Dish and the customer service is alot better. <a >see info on satellite tv deals click here</a>

 
26/May/2011:
AstraSat Servs said:

Hi everyone,

I use a system known as a ''black box'' uses the dish for the signal set up at astra 28.2 and connects to the net and unlocks all ppv channels, HD & 3D also. all sports and movies etc. more info at sales(@)astrasat(.)info

 
26/May/2011:
satandpcguy's avatar satandpcguy said:

The black box is used for card sharing, illegal in most countries, as you are not paying the actual TV provider for the TV service, but a third party who is providing the channels. Could be classed as theft. True, it may be popular as it is cheaper than paying a full subscription, but then CS networks are closed every day.
Surprised you want to advertise you deal with illegal services on a public forum!

 
13/Jun/2011:
kylecarter said:

Pot, Kettle, Black comes to mind.

After all you yourselves say that using a Sky card is against the Skt T&C but you make your living off the back of this. Don't go all BS about what you are doing is 100% legal as it is a 'grey' area as you say.

CS networks closed everyday.....you sound like the UK media.

Your site gives instructions on how to watch UK TV like iplayer via the net. So how are you different to any pirate site that tells you how to download illegal content as you are telling people how to watch streams when outside of the broadcasting zone ie. tricking the BBC into thinking someone is in the UK.

 
16/Aug/2011:
Reducircelulitis said:

Hi all,

There is nothing better than watching TV in high definition.

Thabk yiu

 
26/Sep/2011:
businessbroadband said:

Hi,

Truly bad that you are advertising through illegal services. Instead you can go with proper services which will be beneficial and under law.
business telephone line rental

Thank you

 
15/Feb/2012:
Mi C said:

Hi,

I see this blog is a little old now, But can someone explain How expats living here in Tenerife get the UK channels ( BBC ITV) from a normal arieal on the roof pointing in the same derection and the Spanish areals.

Thank you!

 
16/Feb/2012:
Mi C said:

Hi

I see this is an old blog, But could someone explain why some people here in Tenerife recieve BBC ITV etc on a normal antener pointed in the same derection as the local spanish anteners

Gracias Mike

 
10/Aug/2012:
El Technico's avatar El Technico said:

Hi,

Maybe a little late, as I am a newcomer to this site, but to answer Mike from Feb this year. What you see in Tenerife is probably one of the retransmission systems which takes the sat signal with a massive dish somewhere and then converts that signal to a normal type tv signal which you need to have a special aerial and to pay the company with the big dish for something they usually do against certain local laws, same as they used to do in the Almeria area, until caught by the Guardia Civil..

Thank you,
El Technico

 
17/Sep/2012:
paul123 said:

El - Technico

This is microwave rebroadcast transmission. Closed down in all of Spain apart from the most corrupt province Valencia - where a local politician has 'involvement' with one such company & I guess the others know who's palms to grease! None of these companies have any licenses to retransmit from the original content broadcasters. Piracy.

 

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